Most of them, though, if they were to follow their beliefs to the *only* logical conclusion, must believe that killing a human is no more or less tragic than stepping on an ant or eating a carrot. He never contradicted the Law and it was the LAW in fact that saved to woman in the final analysis. The liberal denominations don’t want me because of my strict adherence to the Scriptures. That is, once again, backwards and requires many assumptions. Do you have any thoughts regarding your approaching Mr. Rick as sin, especially in light of God’s institution of men’s and women’s roles, specifically regarding preaching and the authority of men as the head or covering of women? However, I believe in what the New Testament has to say as well, which reveals that a great part of the Law was specific to Judaism. I can think of a positive aspect to polygamy. Run the test to see if it is supported by reality. “Why is it important that a man only have one wife? I leave discussions regarding biblical standards to qualified theologians, such as yourself. How can any god be just if he orders/sanctions this or that atrocity. ”That speaks volumes to me – I take the testimony of those taught by Jesus any day over the example of corrupt Old Testament patriarchs.” In effect, Jesus linked “do not commit adultery” with “do not covet,” emphasizing the heart’s role in sin. Old-earth geology? Why does it say, “he had a residue of the spirit. fact illegal in modern-day Israel). Those studies also do nothing to determine whether the Scriptures allow for polygyny or not, which is the crux of my argument and quite frankly the only thing that matters to me in this discussion. Lastly, she bears no sign of being embarrassed or remorseful for her living situation. What about being branded unclean because of menstrual cycle or wet dreams? 10 1 Kings 15:5 – King David married about eight wives and 10 concubines, but it says David did what was right in the sight of the Lord (1 Kings 11:4, 2 Kings 18:3, 2 Chronicles 29:2, 2 Chronicles 34:2, Acts 13:22). Math.19:3 the pharisees came to TEMP Christ. You have a wife. Dr. Melissa Burkley, an assistant professor of social psychology at Oklahoma State University and one of the researchers behind the study suggests that the reason behind this is that single women are more interested in pursuing unavailable men (now, there’s some shocking news) possibly because they are more interested in a guy who’s already shown he can commit by being in another relationship, indicating he’d be a reliable mating partner. and even retreats for fellowship and worship. If God orders an army to wipe out a nation, then that is just and must be done. I can think of only a handful of men in the Scriptures who lived lives who were above reproach. Now there was a certain man from Ramathaim-zophim from the hill country of Ephraim, and his name was Elkanah the son of Jeroham, the son of Elihu, the son of Tohu, the son of Zuph, an Ephraimite. I would suggest that others do not make judgements or assume that they know what is good, bad, or the norm in those families without seeing for themselves. Advocating for illegal activity ? When it’s not wrong to look on a maiden who is not betrothed, and who is eligible to marry, you really don’t think about the supposedly salacious aspects of desiring a sister in Christ who is not your wife. I believe that there is a real chance that the Samaritan woman was barren and that she was unable to remain married because she could not provide a son for any of her husbands. Charlene T, MSW: If you don’t like polygyny, you don’t have to engage in it. I admit that. His first one was taken away by King Saul and forced to marry another man.) There were too many posts on here for me to read each one carefully, so tell me if this was already brought up. Bible Chat; If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. If you want to deal with polygyny on a strictly biblical level, I welcome it. Also, the theology and teaching of Eph 5 doesn’t match with having multiple wives, if it’s properly understood. making love to multiple women — all with a clear conscience. It was after all of this that God appeared to Jacob and promised again to make him into a mighty nation. I cannot think of a modern day motive that would make it pure, and I highly doubt if there are those today who are kings and need to marry for an alliance, or someone who consummated a marriage with the wrong bride, or have fought a battle in such a manner as to be rewarded with multiple women. I’m aware of the Westminster Confession’s statements concerning marriage, which is what the church adheres to, that a person cannot be married to more than one person concurrently. Most reasonable Christian scholars do not believe the New Testament supports polygamy. Oh yeah scripture says this. We are bound to the Scriptures alone as the Word of God, plus or minus nothing. For Example: Many of his parables, teachings, and stories come from the Essene literature. Apparently you and all the other “anti multiple-wife” proponents do not believe this verse. Am I to follow my adoration for beautiful women and see what happens? Most Christians believe polygamy was permitted for the same reason. People like you are dangerous, and I HAVE what ifs regarding your types; (by the way they are not on their own) It does not suprise me in the least when I read their comments because even Jesus was not accepted by the very highly theological pharisees and their intricate Sanhedrin.The very doctors of the law wanted HIM dead ! or if he has sex with another man’s wife….not if he takes a single available woman as his wife. 1TI 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. And if she divorces her husband and marries another man, she commits adultery.”. It sounds radical, but that may be necessary in some situations. Why is it important that a man only have one wife? No matter anyway. So its not a Sin to have more than one wife, but it isnt aceptable to break our vow to our first wife. Fine. As it stands, it doesn’t matter if I am right or wrong, Damian. And these are the sons of Bithiah the daughter of Pharaoh, which Mered took. I’m just new to this conversation but I found your comment very interesting and thought I’d respond to it. But I do know Rick, and Rick, I will continue to pray that God humbles you and shows you what is important…especially in light of eternity, and in light of Alicia’s soul, for which you will give an account to God as her husband. So, I guess we’re all convinced. It is because of polygamy that we have the biggest family fued in history……Abraham Sarah & Hagar . And I trust in the Lord’s eternal conclusion.. Polygyny – If my Lord wants me to have more than one wife then it will be. If the man is supposed to become one flesh (or one soul, as I originally heard this question) with his wife, and one is in Heaven while the other is in Hell, does that mean that half the man’s soul goes to Heaven while the other Hell?”. Also note that he does his studies in the middle east, Jordan, Egypt, and the UAE. In the question of Gods goodness, if you beleave everything in the bible you will see, that only by gods command can we break his commandments, if you dont beleve that too be true, just look at how many times people were ordered too kill. — I don’t believe that God ever ordered Biblical Kings to kill their enemies, to the last man, woman, and child — We have to understand d bible very well. The Greek words for “own” are different. ISV. 3 Leviticus 20:14 – Prevents a man from marrying a woman and her mother at the same time. Al Nisa Chapter 4:3 All the apostles were monogamous, and anicent texts teach us that the apostles who actually lived with Jesus taught that monogamy was the ideal taught to them by Jesus. 23 But the man who has doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin. These women were largely uneducated, were not permitted employment, and had no means to support themselves, thus their dependency on men. In the first biblical case of polygyny, no one called motives into question. Please don’t try to associate me with some group you disagree with just because you disagree with me. If Jesus is the Truth, could a lie really testify of Him? 13 Whether born in your household or bought with your money, they must be circumcised. This is, of course, dependent on society. Stick to the Scriptures. In general that is going to be more extremist types than more libertarian live and let live types. Besides when was it that you ever saw one of these polygamists marry their brother’s wife ? I believe it is the will of grumpy old men who spent too much time wandering in the desert eating poisonous fungus. Exactly. It was not a wholly bad situation. LEV 18:6 ” `No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I responded that the questions had no meaning for a well versed Christian. 7 1 Samuel 1:2 & 13:14 – Elkanah a Levite, has two wives. i dont want too hit any nervers here, but from what I personally beleave and some of the hate ive had to endure in my life because of my way of thinking. but onto another topic I saw as i read this verry verry long thread, that relates to this whole topic. In the context of their knowledge, the Jews that Jesus was speaking to would have interpreted his Words like this: “Don’t think that just because you have not had sex with your neighbor’s wife you have not committed adultery. 36b.) Disobedient Children Although many may, communism is an economic system. David…. Men began marrying more than one wife, and God said nothing about it. “You shall not eat anything that has died naturally. This was more properly translated in the American Bible. i dont think they are all fake, or lies, or anything like that, i think most of those are likely just another part of the story. It is the sociological study that has problems. Now you simply are lying about what I said. Prayers on that, I would like to be up to two girlfriends but I don’t know what she will decide about it in the end. She becomes defiled. Perhaps I agree with you. You have received a lot of good counsel from the others about how to handle your feelings of attraction to Gods wondrous, amazing creation called Woman ! You may think I am being silly, but the Bible only talks about what you look at, not about what you hear. I think people have made divorce into a special sin of some nature. If there were no vows, the wife has slightly come into the faith but does not accept polygyny, would divorce be acceptable? People put to much emphasis on Jesus pbuh when they should be putting their faith in Elah/God who he called upon who sent Jesus pbuh as a messenger and prophet. Most churches will accept the divorce and remarriage, even if it is adultery in favor of the married man taking another wife and loving and caring for them both. One thing quickly led to another and he got boxed into a corner from which there was no escape. Look animal offspring don’t need too much care taking to get along but a human offspring needs at least 18yrs of care. There are benefits as No great surprise there! Your attitude, in which you are certainly not alone is also responsible for condemning many single women down through the ages to remain single when they have truly desired husbands to love them when no “single” appropriate man was available. I’m accountable to the Bible — the Bible which teaches that a man (whether he already has a wife or not) may marry his dead brother’s widow. Actually, by and large it’s the opponents of polygyny who have hidden behind anonymity here and elsewhere. (forgive me, I don’t have time to read everything on here, so I may have something out of context.) Logic: First of all, I unapproved your comment regarding “errors” in the Bible. Abraham Lincoln was responsible for passing the law outlawing Polygamy in the States. 25 years. But, contrary to this, we have a few which may be interpreted to sound like it is one man and one woman. Rick, Malachi 3:6 “I the LORD DO NOT CHANGE.” A man commits adultery if he divorces his wife to marry another……. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter. If a draft is ever instituted, well, that just reinforces the fact that soldiers are slaves of the state. I got an answer, which we may abbreviate as “yes”. 2 Exodus 21:10 – A man is not allowed to diminish food, clothing and marital rights (sexual cohabitation), if he marries an additional wife. Hi Bill Not every husband has multiple wives, after all, so there’s no reason to expect regulations concerning marriage to always be plural. Now I see why the Bible says the woman shouldn’t talk in church or minister. When stating that he doesn’t know what to believe anymore (remember the context) he was speaking specifically about this one topic. Only the men do. Which she either had had lawfully, and had buried one after another; and which was no crime, and might be: the Sadducees propose a case to Christ, in which a woman is said to have had seven husbands successively, in a lawful manner, Matthew 22:25. Another common objection to polygyny in the New Covenant is found in 1 Corinthians 7:2. Tuesday, December 1, 2020. because of people like you David? In 2018 I made that choice and did go live in the streets because I am so serious and desperate for Jesus and obedience, but my leap of faith turned into an embarrassment to my witness, instead of a powerful testimony. Her response takes another odd turn. You may very well be subjecting yourself to God’s judgment despite your The Scriptures repeatedly encourage, allow, mandate, or otherwise endorse polygyny, and having multiple wives is something which was associated with the Father at least once in the prophets and with the Son through His parable of the ten virgins. Let me share a bit of relevant scripture with you. Yet had he the residue of the spirit. The results of the multiple studies (>25) which I referenced were not related to bigamous situations wherein the women were not aware of the existence of a “sister wife”. If this post was successful, you’ll now think of any of a number of men from the Bible. The hearers of this law would have interpreted it as saying there was no law against taking a woman as an extra wife who was NOT her sister, otherwise the command is stupid. This passage has been used so many times as an illustration of an immoral woman who had perceived that Jesus was the Messiah. I came up with quite a few – ‘ what ifs ?..’ if you read these chapters and then go to the new testament and read 1 corint. Still, that decision does not necessarily beat apathy, I would venture to say that small groups get a good rap because they are small and its harder to see the ‘dead’ small groups. We’re obligated to pay our taxes and submit if we cross the government… but we are not obligated to buy into the world’s empires in every little way. 49 Bible Verses about Husbands ... Then the Lord said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by her husband, yet an adulteress, even as the Lord loves the sons of Israel, though they turn to other gods and love raisin cakes. Most of them show that most men are polygamous in nature wheras women are generally monogamous. and we both laughed. Multiple wives ? In them is truth and life. fyi, pologamy wasn’t always illegal in the u.s.a. so here we go again making God appear to be ever changing. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Love keeps no record of wrongs. After the discussion, we hugged and realised that nothing or no-one will ever come between us, and all of this was worth the honest approach that I a maintained. Whatever her circumstances, they were far less important than the Water she got at the well that day! What most people do not realise is that the fabric of the current ‘organised’ church is dated way back to Moses and his duel with Satan acting through Pharaoh. Please advise me. There isn’t enough background for us to know and it really doesn’t matter. Qur’anic version of Polygamy: Small groups can be extremely basic in their teaching, and can be prone to leadership issues. as they want. You (the believer or non-believer) will deal with the consequences of that belief or unbelief. You might as well be hollering at me from behind your steering wheel. You are correct that whether or not something is practical has no bearing on whether or not it is biblical. What of God allowed slavery because slaves would become humble people and would follow Him, be saved and in turn cause a revival and save their masters? Back to the Law God (not man) made, back in Lev 18:18: “Do not take your wife’s sister as a rival wife and have sexual relations with her while your wife is living. Jesus pbuh himself said he came to follow the Law/Commandments, and he said that in the new Testament and if the old Testament Law showed men married more than one woman or had more God/Elah didn’t disapprove not one bit. What he THINKS and does not do, does not offend the sensibilities of his wife. There’re drugs that lower sex drive, let’s not use women for that. There is the danger that you will hurt your wife and the law of love through Christ compels you not to hurt her or cause her grief. I will not take offence as I am open to people’s opinions regarding the topic and my situation, but yes, it may get messy! What they do to make it best fit the general population is get more people to volunteer than necessary for the study (not difficult in a place like New York City, which has a population roughly similar to Canada). The Scriptures go so far as to say that God himself gave David multiple wives and that, if they were not enough, he would give David even more! If Christ did change the rules, as implied by the writings of Paul, wouldn’t it make more sense for a Christian to seek out where those rules have changed and apply the changes to him/her-self? Marta, “Uppity” wrote on July 6, 2009 at 9:49 pm. While Jehoiada the priest was still “ALIVE”………..he chose two wives for Joash! An additional curiosity of this family was that Abraham’s taking of a second wife the idea of Sarai, his first wife. What if God knew they would be going to hell unless He had them killed at that point in their lives, so that they would be saved and go to stay with Him in all His glory? What about keeping slaves? Now, can we please keep this on topic? I could go on, but this alone makes me wonder if you have a miss-placed hate on for men considering there is no favour given to one over the other in the Genesis account. Now ‘feminists’ absolutely hate it, it shows how disconnected they are. Paul said that all Scripture is inspired by God; if the Scriptures are wrong, wouldn’t that imply that God can be wrong? I did make those vows at the church, true, and my current position concerning them is being taken care of between Tom and I. An excellent thread. That is the only instance where it was a command. 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